Well, this is embarrassing...

[nikkolaus]

well, this is embarrassing buuut .. i kinda cant take the euro ruff jr knot... lol.. any suggestions..?

[Nyuka]

Lots of lube, relax, breath, and don't give up. Take a break if you need to.

[nikkolaus]

Lots of lube, relax, breath, and don't give up. Take a break if you need to.

im stretched to the max it feels like....

ya know when ya blow up a balloon and u feel the rubber stretch and u get that feeling its gonna rip and pop, yea.. thats how i felt both times..

[Nyuka]

Maybe just work it with your fingers a little bit to loosen it up and relax. Try a different possition, I noticed it's easier for me to get it in my tail hole when I'm on my back and I put my knees up to my chest, put some lube on the toy, use the extra to rub around my hole and a little inside. Make sure you're in a comfortable location as well!

[x_panther]

take your time n.n it took me almost 5 years to get upto taking the knot on the roy's toy... all you can do is take your time <3

some times my toying sessions can last two or so hours. and lots of lube

[icey_kitsune]

lol, roys toy was the first toy i ever got (real toy, not something i used as a toy since i was too young before it to get any) and hell few days of useing it i decided to try it backward and that was lots of fun too.

[knotme]

try jerking off while your toying
use lots of lube
relax
make sure your cleaned out to use the toy
make sure your in a comfortable position to take the toy

It took me about 6 months to take a 2.5" knot and after about 2 years I am about to 3" knot

[Red-Black]

Here's how I warm up:

• Lube up. Lots of lube helps!
• Use your fingers to massage the hole until it starts to open on it's own. This means it's relaxed and things will go easier
• If you have a toy that tapers, use it! (ex:Pocket Pal, Teaser)  If not, rub the head of a toy against the hole to further relax things.
• Go slowly and carefully. If the knot feels too big, go back a step and work the hole with fingers and tapering toys more before trying again. Adding more lube can also help.

It can take time for the skin to stretch and the muscles to learn to relax enough to accommodate some toys. Just be patient and work with yourself on a regular basis and you'll get there!

[nikkolaus]

Here's how I warm up:

• Lube up. Lots of lube helps!
• Use your fingers to massage the hole until it starts to open on it's own. This means it's relaxed and things will go easier
• If you have a toy that tapers, use it! (ex:Pocket Pal, Teaser)  If not, rub the head of a toy against the hole to further relax things.
• Go slowly and carefully. If the knot feels too big, go back a step and work the hole with fingers and tapering toys more before trying again. Adding more lube can also help.

It can take time for the skin to stretch and the muscles to learn to relax enough to accommodate some toys. Just be patient and work with yourself on a regular basis and you'll get there!

ok, thank u .. i'll try those..

[Ayame]

 Nikkolaus ~~ Please don't be embarrassed!  We all have our own road to travel, when it comes to stretching for toys.  That's as true for vaginal as for anal, but I've found anal is the more difficult of the two for me.  So I understand your frustration.  I agree with all of the above advice and add a little more.  My past experience with anal play was literally traumatizing.  So I was dead set against it until the folks here and at BD convinced me that doing things properly could make it not just fun, but deeply pleasurable.   When I shared my first anal pleasure with a partner not long ago, I realized just how right they were.  But that successful experience was preceded by a substantial period of what is called "anal training".

For most of a year now, I've been training with various things, starting with just one finger in the shower, and progressing to 2 fingers, then three fingers.  Then I moved on to using progressively larger sizes of butt plugs.  I would wear each size (sitting or lying down) for progressively longer periods of time, then move up to the next size after I could easily tolerate one size for at least 2 straight hours.  I did this to make my muscles became more elastic, and get my body used to things moving IN.... as well as OUT.  In fact - to maintain that muscular elasticity - I still stretch with 2-3 fingers, EVERY time I wash back there in the shower (even when I don't have time to toy).  I also do Kegel exercises at least every other day.  And yes, Kegel exercises are good for men, as well as for women.  If you can learn to tense a muscle.... you can learn to relax it as well. 

So if you're having problems taking the knot on your Euro Ruff Jr, I would suggest you try stretching with your fingers every day, so that your body gets used to things moving in as well as out on a regular basis - not just when you want to play.  Ruff Jr's knot is 1.5" in diameter, or just under 5" around.  The 1.5" max width is a standard size for butt plugs, and easy to find at retailers around the world.  Because of the way butt plugs are shaped, they are good trainers for knotted toys, if you can find a size match to your chosen toy.   I'd suggest you buy a 1.5" butt plug, and use it to train with.  Even the silicone butt plugs I have were quite affordable, and I'd be happy to show you which ones and where I got them if you PM me for details.

I have Euro Ruff, Sr., which I use vaginally, and other toys which I use anally, particularly the Knotty Trainers from Zeta.  They've been very helpful, but two things were crucial for me.  One was regular, gentle, stretching with toys, at least 3-4 times a week.  The other was buying decent equipment for cleaning out my system before toying.  I simply cannot relax the necessary muscles, if they're also trying to regulate the flow of material in my colon or rectum.  Not everyone is like that, but many of us are, so you might want to experiment there, to see what works for you.

Lots of hugs and best wishes to you.  No matter what you do, always remember.... this is NOT a contest - it's supposed to be fun!  If it hurts..... you're doing it wrong.   

[RedXRidingXHood]

I can't take my knotted toy, either. I know it's going to take time because I'm not used to bigger toys AT ALL. I always warm up really well with another toy, too. Just to see if it helps. Someday... Someday...

[bonzers]

ok, I just came on to tell everyone I finally took the knot, and I saw your thread, so ill just post everything here.

I just took the knot on my euro ruff jr, its been like years now working at it. recently I got this plug for training

http://www.amazon.com/Adam-Eve-Buddies-Beginner-Silicone/dp/B0038O351G/ref=pd_sim_hpc_3

it makes a world of difference I mastered that plug 2 days ago, and after using it to warm up today I decided to pull out my puppy.
I lubed him up and made sure there was plenty on the knot, then I started playing, got to the knot and just kept going, nice and slow, used a finger to help on those three points and he just went right in.

it was amazing! it felt like nothing I have ever felt before and when I was knotted its like I really was knotted, he wasn't going anywhere. I walked around and that was a whole new sensation as well. it felt so amazing that I could barely control myself as I got on all 4s and err... daydreamed....

any way, there is hope, I saw that plug I linked and its the first thing I thought of, so I got it and the intermediate, which im hoping will help me get ready for Ruff

[jsealing]

ok, I just came on to tell everyone I finally took the knot, and I saw your thread, so ill just post everything here.

I just took the knot on my euro ruff jr, its been like years now working at it. recently I got this plug for training

http://www.amazon.com/Adam-Eve-Buddies-Beginner-Silicone/dp/B0038O351G/ref=pd_sim_hpc_3

it makes a world of difference I mastered that plug 2 days ago, and after using it to warm up today I decided to pull out my puppy.
I lubed him up and made sure there was plenty on the knot, then I started playing, got to the knot and just kept going, nice and slow, used a finger to help on those three points and he just went right in.

it was amazing! it felt like nothing I have ever felt before and when I was knotted its like I really was knotted, he wasn't going anywhere. I walked around and that was a whole new sensation as well. it felt so amazing that I could barely control myself as I got on all 4s and err... daydreamed....

any way, there is hope, I saw that plug I linked and its the first thing I thought of, so I got it and the intermediate, which im hoping will help me get ready for Ruff

EXCELLENT dude on taking that knot! Welcome to the knot club!!