Snake/ new tentacle

[jratt85]

Ok so I've had an idea for a toy for quite a while and I want to see what people think. Now I'm not going to go into too much detail about the specifics of how it's made because I'd like for some reimbersment for my idea here. Whether that be one for free if it gets made or better yet a percentage or something, dunno could use money and if I had the money to invest in the stuff I'd just make it myself but I don't.

Anyways, first off, how many people would be interested in just a straight up snake dildo? A long thin dildo with a snake head at the tip and a scale textured shaft?

Now, for the second part, how many people would love to have a snake or tentacle dildo that actually squirmed? I was watching the behind the scenes on Hellboy and saw how they made the tentacles on the weird plague hound things move and I got to thinking.. 'why can't we do that? There's plenty of guys and girls that would enjoy those squirming around inside their holes, dripping with goo'

Now as I've said for the moment this is just figuring out if people would want that as much as I think, the how to of my genius little plan will come later.

[Kedreshma]

The snake idea has been thought of and asked before, But it was denied because it would be considered bestiality, Which this sites host does not support. However a similar thought crossed my mind with the tentacle. I would think it would be simple for bear to make little adjustments to the http://www.zoofur.com/the-silicone-tentacle.html and put a little squirming motor in it.

[jratt85]

The snake idea has been thought of and asked before, But it was denied because it would be considered bestiality, Which this sites host does not support. However a similar thought crossed my mind with the tentacle. I would think it would be simple for bear to make little adjustments to the http://www.zoofur.com/the-silicone-tentacle.html and put a little squirming motor in it.

oh yeah cuz a dogs cock isnt beast... -.- yeah I have a few ideas of how to put a motor in a toy but after a long discussion with someone about it last night, I HIGHLY doubt any of the 3 most well known animal toy makers will even begin to be willing to even think about trying to make one. Part of it could easily be that, much like the female anatomy toys, silicone isnt elastic enough to handle the abuse of something moving around within it while something pushes against it from the outside.

I still think that a moving toy isnt as hard to make as they seem to make it out to be. I mean look at all the rabbit vibes, with thrusting or twisting heads with spinning beads in the shaft, that are for sale, on amazon or othr places, for less than $30 but then again like I said they arent silicone.

[Talarath]

Silicone is actually very elastic.  Some mixtures can be pulled to 3000% of their original size without tearing.  If the part that moves is smooth enough in working that it wont create even microtears, it would work.

[jratt85]

Silicone is actually very elastic.  Some mixtures can be pulled to 3000% of their original size without tearing.  If the part that moves is smooth enough in working that it wont create even microtears, it would work.

but how expensive would it be, I know EE offers to make your custom toy for $200 but how much does it really cost in just materials to make your average 9 inch long toy? how much more would a motorize tentacle cost compared to a normal one? I mean no offense to Bear or anyone else that makes these toys, but the prices are a little outrageous.. the only reason they get them is because they are the only ones making toys like that..

oh and as for the snake dildo thing, I found a huge one thats modelled after a cobra but kinda cartoony dunno if Itd be ok to post as a show and tell thing or not

[MirachayaPanther]

but how expensive would it be, I know EE offers to make your custom toy for $200 but how much does it really cost in just materials to make your average 9 inch long toy? how much more would a motorize tentacle cost compared to a normal one? I mean no offense to Bear or anyone else that makes these toys, but the prices are a little outrageous.. the only reason they get them is because they are the only ones making toys like that..

oh and as for the snake dildo thing, I found a huge one thats modelled after a cobra but kinda cartoony dunno if Itd be ok to post as a show and tell thing or not

I've looked in to the prices of the platinum cure silicone as a hobbyist and it seems to average around $25(no tax or shipping) per pound post mix. The weigh on the average around 9 inch toys looking on EE's site and weighing my own ee toys fast to see how it accurate they are... perhaps 2-2.5 pounds of material. Don't forget they need to pay someone for a 3d sculpt(if they do 3d print toys) and either a 3d mold print or an actual mold cast. Using http://www.shapeways.com/materials/ as a fast example(they can probably find a retailer supply cheaper) even if it's a low temperature quick setting silicone that they can use a plastic mold for you can see how the cost adds up fast. Sorry if I overstepped my bounds replying to that and Bear or Tal can probably give a better estimate.

[jratt85]

Im working on a loose design tonight, hopefully will have it done before bed. Like I said, the mechanization of it is what would give it a great leg up on other things. Purposely leaving out any major details that would leave it too snakelike for this site, as in eyes and whatnot, just giving it the vague cobralike shape, will get to the tentacle next.

As for dimensions so far, Ive got the shaft part right at like 6 inches total length beyond where a motor and battery area would be and just over 2 inches wide at the widest point. If I am able to figure out how to make it, hopefully the ladies will love it just as much as the guys. If it becomes too much for this site, then I will either release it to ppl for their comments in pms or I will send links to where it can be found.

[jratt85]

UPDATED DIMENSIONS: Total Length (including motor and batteries) 10.5 to 11 inches
Shaft Length (tip of motor to tip of toy) 7 inches
Shaft Width (including along motor& batts) 1.5 to 1.75 inches
"Hood" Width 2 to 2.75 inches
"Hood" thickness and taper 2 inches at thickest to 0.5 or 0.75 inches
Tip bulge (aka "snout") 0.5 to 0.75 inches
Second bulge 1 to 1.25 inches
Battery container& motor allotment 5 inches

While looking at numerous seperate "twisting head" or "twisting shaft" designs, I have found that they are typically made with a central shaft that is bent at a 30 to 45 degree angle in the last inch that has a plastic "bullet" on the end that usually is put within the material "head" section without an air gap but there must be a small air gap for the crankshaft (if you will call it that) to easily move. Also from what Ive seen of toys with spinning beads and the like in them, friction on the inside of the toy material does not wear them out as quickly as youd think, in fact I haven't read a review yet that had that happen. As Knotme said on the EE forum this toy will have to be made in SOFT FIRMNESS and I knew that from the start, afterall, you want is as wiggly as possible.
I am still unsure as to whether or not silicone is the best medium for this as most silicone vibes only have small watch battery powered vibes in them, but I was able to find a silicone rabbit vibe with a twisting head so I believe that was a proof of concept. Also I was able to find a tentacle vibe.

[jratt85]

Ok here's the pics of my design so far, two basic shapes and then an underside view, I started trying to add in texture for "belly scales" on the underside pic in paint but it wasnt as easy as I thought it'd be, you can definitely see how long its been since Ive used paint. All the pics but one were hand drawn and then cleaned up in paint best I could. I still have to do a side view but lets hear what ppl think. Im thinking the side view should sort of look like a small spoon stuck on the back of a large spoon.

[jratt85]

I did the side view last night, still need to do a cross section view of the shaft, the head/hood area is damn near impossible for me to draw. pics should be up tonight. I will say that I dont know how this will go over but I decided to make the belly scale area raised much like the muscle on the underside of a human penis and added a large lump on the backside of the head just to make up for the fact that it isnt ? shaped like a real hooded cobra would be, seeings how they never hood while slithering. Max thickness it 2-2.125 (2 and a quarter) inches so it shouldnt be bad. The belly scales will be tapered but will stand up about half an inch from the shaft.

[jsealing]

I did the side view last night, still need to do a cross section view of the shaft, the head/hood area is damn near impossible for me to draw. pics should be up tonight. I will say that I dont know how this will go over but I decided to make the belly scale area raised much like the muscle on the underside of a human penis and added a large lump on the backside of the head just to make up for the fact that it isnt ? shaped like a real hooded cobra would be, seeings how they never hood while slithering. Max thickness it 2-2.125 (2 and a quarter) inches so it shouldnt be bad. The belly scales will be tapered but will stand up about half an inch from the shaft.

The hooded Cobra thing sounds most intriguing. I would suggest obtaining many different angled shots of a Cobra with the hood flared out and see if any of those pics can help you incorporate your design. Best of luck to you!

[jratt85]

The hooded Cobra thing sounds most intriguing. I would suggest obtaining many different angled shots of a Cobra with the hood flared out and see if any of those pics can help you incorporate your design. Best of luck to you!

thanks, like I said, they never hood while slithering because it actually stretches their body out, its only when they want to look more intimidating, when getting ready to strike, that they hood so making one in a flat plane is different than the standard question mark shape they assume when standing up for a strike. I know the what the cross section should look like, which honestly is somewhat like a canine's knot, but actually showing it in a side view is damn near impossible without having some serious art skills or a 3d program.

What did you think of the belly scale stand up idea as well as the head bump? The way I figure, not only will they add more.... pleasure zones (for lack of better words) but they will also make it a little less snake like, hopefully making it to where it isn't so realistic that it makes people scream beastiality and go off the deep end.. Though they should hopefully add areas that make people scream and go off the deep end in another way lol.

[jsealing]

thanks, like I said, they never hood while slithering because it actually stretches their body out, its only when they want to look more intimidating, when getting ready to strike, that they hood so making one in a flat plane is different than the standard question mark shape they assume when standing up for a strike. I know the what the cross section should look like, which honestly is somewhat like a canine's knot, but actually showing it in a side view is damn near impossible without having some serious art skills or a 3d program.

What did you think of the belly scale stand up idea as well as the head bump? The way I figure, not only will they add more.... pleasure zones (for lack of better words) but they will also make it a little less snake like, hopefully making it to where it isn't so realistic that it makes people scream beastiality and go off the deep end.. Though they should hopefully add areas that make people scream and go off the deep end in another way lol.

The belly scales look good as well as the head bump! Put everything down on either paper or AUTOCAD program and send it to BB for his review; you might want to come up with a prototype sell sheet for the product as well so that BB has something to put on his website.

[jratt85]

oh heres an idea for a base if it was cast just as a snake dildo instead of moving, you could have the base look like a basket

I know Im slouching, said Id put up the side view and cross sections last night but I was having a serious depression fit last night so you'll have to forgive me. I still havent drawn the cross sections or gotten a good scale design drawn yet. I did find some really cool cobra pictures tho and I think I picked what Id like as color options on the toy.

Bright green, black, desert tan, mustard yellow.  I think really bright colors would sell the "its not a snake" thing but the black tand and yellow are very common cobra colors, so is a rust red.

Will try to get those cross sections and scale designs done later today, hopefully my mind will calm down a bit and let me function.. could just be me right now where Im less than a week from being 26 and still alone though, older I get harder it is to be alone.

[jratt85]

Okay heres the last hand drawn ideas I have, this seriously needs to go 3D to see if itd work. Obviously Im getting a little tired with it and frustrated with not being able to draw whats in my mind, the quality of these last two kinda sucks and you get to read my chicken scratch. The second pic (without words) was supposed to be a cross section and a hood position, also shows you where the head bump should go and how itd be tapered. The sideview is going to ahve to be darkened Im sure, thats a straight scan no work in paint so... damnit.